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capitalist · Nov 24, 2005, 05:06 PM // 17:06

My high school Physics teacher told the class a story about the profession he was in prior to teaching. You see, he did research on the human brain and his test subjects were mental patients. He claimed that one such mental patient believed that if you held a ball in your hand and dropped it, the ball would "fall" up, towards the ceiling. No matter how many times you demonstrated that the ball would actually fall down upon its release, the patient still believed it would "fall" up. Weird, but that was the patients view on things.

Sometimes I fell like I am talking to a mental patient when responding to some of the posts in this thread. I keep pointing out the flaws in their logic and/or thought process, but I now realize it is just the patient's view on things...

killer toast · Nov 24, 2005, 05:11 PM // 17:11

what?

Ajantis · Nov 24, 2005, 05:50 PM // 17:50

I think he's saying that those who disagree with him are mental patients..

lishi · Nov 24, 2005, 05:53 PM // 17:53

uh about my question for partime studend oO?

Blue Steel · Nov 24, 2005, 05:55 PM // 17:55

Part time students are fine, especially old friends who can slay Glint the Dragon and dominate the end game areas like UW and FoW, Aveeria.

The tuition is the same, but people spend as much or as little time as they want with the Academy and learning as much running as they want, reviewing only those videos that interest them, and so forth. Drop by http://www.LBSRA.net, lishi.

trim · Nov 24, 2005, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by trim

Also, I was in and out of beacons at least 5 times today, and everyone I talked to said it was basically impossible to guarantee a soloed forge run. Is this true, and are the majority of LBS members taking 2 people to do the runs? I was probably in there for at least an hour, and took 3 runs with a few folks just to see how it would end up. And all three dual team groups guaranteed it for 3k and they all made it. I'm very surprised that you'll have any business at all when it comes to the forge runs as it is simple to find a guaranteed run for 3k. If anyone can gurantee a soloed forge run now I would pay well to see this.

Can someone from LBS answer this question. Shar tried his best to, but I dont think he is a member of LBS.

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Originally Posted by Blue Steel

Later I comment that our service is running people "on demand" and we leave other interests we could be pursuing like PvP, UW, FoW, etc. to come help people even if we would rather be doing those things. The response, "What makes you think a runner would be any good at PvP? Your sentence doesn't even make sense!"

This is "BS" Blue Steel. I messaged 3 of your members in the last 2 days. One of whom, who has been posting here quite often. As I was on one of my newest accounts, and there is no way they could have know it was Trim.

LBS member 1:

Me: Are you a runner
LBS member: yes I can run
Me: Can you run me to Forge
LBS member: I'm srry, I'm fixing to have to leave
Me: Is it because the Droknars Forge run is to hard now.
LBS Member: if you keep on antagonizing me I'm not ever going to run you

LBS member 2:

Me:Gah, I'm having a hard time getting a run to Droknars Forge. The 2 people that tried to run me died.
LBS member: What is his name
Me:I dont know. He has already ran back out
LBS member: It might have been one of our students
Me: Well... the guys who have been running me can't seem to make it solo. HINT: I might need a run. I never heard another thing from this person.

LBS member 3:

Me: Are you a runner
LBS member: Not right now I'm busy.

If you would like me to post the names of these 3 people PM me or I can just post them here. I figured the least they could have done was point me in the direction of an LBS member who could make the run. As all 3 of them are certified (as you call it) as being graduated on the very first post of this thread. These were the only 3 members I messaged.

I'm beginning to think that the return on this near 200k investment is not even worth it as it's getting more difficult to find profitable runs with all the nerfs by Arena Net.

lord_shar · Nov 24, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by trim

Also, I was in and out of beacons at least 5 times today, and everyone I talked to said it was basically impossible to guarantee a soloed forge run. Is this true, and are the majority of LBS members taking 2 people to do the runs? I was probably in there for at least an hour, and took 3 runs with a few folks just to see how it would end up. And all three dual team groups guaranteed it for 3k and they all made it. I'm very surprised that you'll have any business at all when it comes to the forge runs as it is simple to find a guaranteed run for 3k. If anyone can gurantee a soloed forge run now I would pay well to see this.
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Can someone from LBS answer this question. Shar tried his best to, but I dont think he is a member of LBS.

It would help if I understood your question

Nope, I'm not an LBS member, but I have completed solo Droks runs under the latest patch without any LBS-related schooling. The Lornar's Pass section is still certainly crossable with a solo runner, but it is more difficult than previous patches, especially after a 3rd wurm was added at the cave entrance. Dual running increases odds of completion simply because 1 of the runners can draw off mob attention while the other races through.

There's nothing wrong with dual running, but it does mean one passenger less being transported, and division of profits between the runners.

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Originally Posted by trim

This is "BS" Blue Steel. I messaged 3 of your members in the last 2 days. One of whom, who has been posting here quite often. As I was on one of my newest accounts, and there is no way they could have know it was Trim.

LBS member 1:

Me: Are you a runner
LBS member: yes I can run
Me: Can you run me to Forge
LBS member: I'm srry, I'm fixing to have to leave
Me: Is it because the Droknars Forge run is to hard now.
LBS Member: if you keep on antagonizing me I'm not ever going to run you

LBS member 2:

Me:Gah, I'm having a hard time getting a run to Droknars Forge. The 2 people that tried to run me died.
LBS member: What is his name
Me:I dont know. He has already ran back out
LBS member: It might have been one of our students
Me: Well... the guys who have been running me can't seem to make it solo. HINT: I might need a run. I never heard another thing from this person.

LBS member 3:

Me: Are you a runner
LBS member: Not right now I'm busy.

If you would like me to post the names of these 3 people PM me or I can just post them here. I figured the least they could have done was point me in the direction of an LBS member who could make the run. As all 3 of them are certified (as you call it) as being graduated on the very first post of this thread. These were the only 3 members I messaged.

I don't think LBS certification requires graduates to run whenever contacted. There are plenty of non-certified runners who eventually zerg their way to Droks after numerous tries. They charge a lot less than LBSRA per trip, but they learn through trial and error individually, while LBSRA learns as a collective and pass on their experiences to their members. That's the advantange of an organized running guild vs. individual independent runners.

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Originally Posted by trim

I'm beginning to think that the return on this near 200k investment is not even worth it as it's getting more difficult to find profitable runs with all the nerfs by Arena Net.

Running profit margins have dropped dramatically due to the number of available runners out there. I don't think running skill alone are worth 200k, but then again, LBSRA mentions a lot more than just Drok-runs.

In the end, it's up to the player to decide if this the whole package is worth the price or not. For some, LBSRA is not the way to go, and for others, it is. Let them make their own informed choices.

Keep in mind that I'm saying this as an independent runner. I have never enrolled in LBSRA, nor do I plan to any time soon since my GW-interests lie elsewhere. No, they're not paying me on the side either

The Herbalizer · Nov 24, 2005, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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It might have been one of our students

Students are those who have yet to have completed their garduation therefore they are not certfied in running / combat. Have you ever thought that the person you asked may have been interested to find out if any beginner or inexperienced students have been attempting a run they have yet to fully master while using the LBS name to get customers.

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LBS member: Not right now I'm busy.

If the person is busy he cannot run you. I see nothing wrong with the perosn not wanting to run you because he is busy.

You have twisted their comments to use them for your own devices. I find your ignorance and failure to take into account what people are saying rather sad. This is a game get over it. We have done nothing wrong and you see it as your duty to ruin this academy. Have you ever thought that LBS has worked hard to achieve this and her reputation and you are trying to destroy it. Well it is not working and our customers can see through your immature perfetic behaviour.

generik · Nov 24, 2005, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Students are those who have yet to have completed their garduation therefore they are not certfied in running / combat. Have you ever thought that the person you asked may have been interested to find out if any beginner or inexperienced students have been attempting a run they have yet to fully master while using the LBS name to get customers.

Eh? What's the big deal about LBS?

My guildie challenged LBS herself as well as 6 other runners to a race to Drok's, and that loser quit after dying to the first wyrm. A joke if you ask me.

If you guys think you are getting a great deal paying 300+K to call yourself a LBS runner and get a customized forgerunner, fine, be my guest. Just don't stand around Beacons and act as though LBS means anything, because it obviously doesn't.

If my experience is worth anything you guys are just a bunch of runners who memorised every single cluster and rest spot, and with the new patch are completely forked over.

Learn to think for yourself, that's the real transferable skill you can get.

lord_shar · Nov 24, 2005, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by generik

Eh? What's the big deal about LBS?

My guildie challenged LBS herself as well as 6 other runners to a race to Drok's, and that loser quit after dying to the first wyrm. A joke if you ask me.

The problem with a race is that whoever leads early will get slow-hexed and serve as an unwitting decoy while the rest run through. The most successful Drok runners are the patient types, not the rush heads who try 5x via trial and error before passing Lornars. Therefore, what does a race prove?

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Originally Posted by generik

If you guys think you are getting a great deal paying 300+K to call yourself a LBS runner and get a customized forgerunner, fine, be my guest. Just don't stand around Beacons and act as though LBS means anything, because it obviously doesn't.

If my experience is worth anything you guys are just a bunch of runners who memorised every single cluster and rest spot, and with the new patch are completely forked over.

Learn to think for yourself, that's the real transferable skill you can get.

You're reading a lot more into a brand label than what was written in this thread.

generik · Nov 24, 2005, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by trim

I'm beginning to think that the return on this near 200k investment is not even worth it as it's getting more difficult to find profitable runs with all the nerfs by Arena Net.

Why even join LBS? Like I said, they aren't the best.. far from it.

All the more so if the other poster is telling the truth and LBS runners are doing paired runs these days. Considering the trainer herself can't even make the run now, and yet there are still many solo runners operating out of droks even today, I think LBS is a joke.

PS: You might argue that "the other solo runners will only make it after 99999 tries!". I call hogwash on your argument, I know of at least one person in my guild who can do it solo, and make it, 100% of the time. Not just that, he can confidently run to Snake's, to DWC, and back again to Beacons again if you'd make it worthwhile for him.

THAT is what I call a good runner. Till LBS herself can run to Drok's, stop wasting everyone's time with your hyper-inflated ego.

generik · Nov 24, 2005, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by lord_shar

You're reading a lot more into a brand label than what was written in this thread.

I am merely reading as much into the brand label as LBS herself is marketing it. Customized forgerunner with LBS' name on it issued by the trainer herself, lol, how contorted can it be?

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Originally Posted by lord_shar

The problem with a race is that whoever leads early will get slow-hexed and serve as an unwitting decoy while the rest run through. The most successful Drok runners are the patient types, not the rush heads who try 5x via trial and error before passing Lornars. Therefore, what does a race prove?

Regardless, I don't know what happened, but let's say:
1) LBS charged headlong into the mobs... she isn't very patient isn't she?
2) LBS stuck around the rear and get slow hexed and killed... well it doesn't really speak very differently does it?

Either way if you are a leader at least you are able to control your own agro and not worry about mobs that are triggered by that first runner, likewise if you are at the rear you have the opportunity to avoid these now agroed mobs.

End of the day? It makes no difference.

Whether in a race or solo she wouldn't have made it past the wyrms.

lord_shar · Nov 24, 2005, 11:49 PM // 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by generik

Why even join LBS? Like I said, they aren't the best.. far from it.

All the more so if the other poster is telling the truth and LBS runners are doing paired runs these days. Considering the trainer herself can't even make the run now, and yet there are still many solo runners operating out of droks even today, I think LBS is a joke.

PS: You might argue that "the other solo runners will only make it after 99999 tries!". I call hogwash on your argument, I know of at least one person in my guild who can do it solo, and make it, 100% of the time. Not just that, he can confidently run to Snake's, to DWC, and back again to Beacons again if you'd make it worthwhile for him.

THAT is what I call a good runner. Till LBS herself can run to Drok's, stop wasting everyone's time with your hyper-inflated ego.

The new build I've seen making the run very consistently is a Warrior/Ranger. Rather than trying to remove the slow hexes, they just tank it with Troll Ungent. It's not that big a secret.

The Herbalizer · Nov 24, 2005, 11:53 PM // 23:53

ROFL, you are the biggest joker I have met in a long time. Your post of lies and crazy talk has most amused me for the last few minutes. I have never really understood lying and still dont. You are not exactly achieving much. The reason your posts are so funny is that you get all worked up over nothing thinking you are making a difference. Your comments are having zero effect on our ability to make gold. And to rub your face in it even more I look forward to returning because when I do I am going to try run regularly and get myself a set of necro fissure with all the gold I am making and your comments and silly views will not be able to stop me mwahahaha

But most importantly your views and comments will not prevent me enoying the game with the guild which you detest so much. I love it at LBSRA best thing I have done so far

lord_shar · Nov 24, 2005, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by generik

I am merely reading as much into the brand label as LBS herself is marketing it. Customized forgerunner with LBS' name on it issued by the trainer herself, lol, how contorted can it be?

Keep in mind that LBSRA was founded well before the latest patches/nerfs, as was this thread. What used to work consistently then doesn't now. The question now is how the guild will adapt. The new patch is less than 2 weeks old, so I'm not passing any judgement until a few more weeks pass.

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Originally Posted by generik

Regardless, I don't know what happened, but let's say:
1) LBS charged headlong into the mobs... she isn't very patient isn't she?
2) LBS stuck around the rear and get slow hexed and killed... well it doesn't really speak very differently does it?

Either way if you are a leader at least you are able to control your own agro and not worry about mobs that are triggered by that first runner, likewise if you are at the rear you have the opportunity to avoid these now agroed mobs.

End of the day? It makes no difference.

Whether in a race or solo she wouldn't have made it past the wyrms.

If you weren't there, then how credible is the information? Keep in mind you're getting it second hand as hearsay.

All I'm saying is this: Be objective and keep an open mind. I can run Lornars/Droks solo with an older War/Monk running build, though it's hard to get anywhere near 100% (30-50% for me currently). I know there are some who claim can do it much better with near-100% success rate, but once the rest of the world figures out the build and strategies involved, the next nerf will come down the pipe. It's a never-ending cycle.

Osirod · Nov 25, 2005, 12:23 AM // 00:23

I'm a 100% sure that there's no one who can guarantee a Droks run right now, solo that is. Spawns are way too random for builds to be consistant. You can get 1 wurm that follows you for very little time, making an easy run. But you can also get 3 wurms that will follow you all the way to the troll cave. If someone guarantees a run, it's all lies. It's all dependant on spawns, that's why dual runs are being done, as simple as that.

killer toast · Nov 25, 2005, 12:29 AM // 00:29

so hows everyone thanksgiving going? just got back from my cousin and i ate like a pig

lord_shar · Nov 25, 2005, 12:30 AM // 00:30

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Originally Posted by Osirod

I'm a 100% sure that there's no one who can guarantee a Droks run right now, solo that is. Spawns are way too random for builds to be consistant. You can get 1 wurm that follows you for very little time, making an easy run. But you can also get 3 wurms that will follow you all the way to the troll cave. If someone guarantees a run, it's all lies. It's all dependant on spawns, that's why dual runs are being done, as simple as that.

Looks like a third person just called a previous poster's poker-hand

I absolutely agree -- based on my last few run attempts in the latest patch, luck of the spawn IS your biggest friend or greatest enemy. 100% consistency just isn't possible when 3 wurms knock you down almost 25% of the stinking zone's length.

sonicLife · Nov 25, 2005, 12:32 AM // 00:32

Quick question for anyone in the guild- Does LBS him/herself still run, and provide tips? Or does (s)he just manage the business side of the academy?

Mindcrime · Nov 25, 2005, 12:38 AM // 00:38

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Originally Posted by trim

LBS member 2:

Me:Gah, I'm having a hard time getting a run to Droknars Forge. The 2 people that tried to run me died.
LBS member: What is his name
Me:I dont know. He has already ran back out
LBS member: It might have been one of our students
Me: Well... the guys who have been running me can't seem to make it solo.

Trim, I find it rather amusing when you're playing detective work undercover.
Didn't we all do that when were younger. lol

- I'm atleast are too old hiding
under another account/alias.

No need to pm LBS, I'm the lucky LBS member number 2 - you're talking about.
Secondary, the context was more than what you quoted here.

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Originally Posted by Trim

HINT: I might need a run. I never heard another thing from this person.

HINT: I was running an lvl13 customer through Hell's precipice with 6 henchmens. When you message me with your Little --- ---- yes, I have you on FL. For further chats about this dialogue we had - while fighting through massive of armies of Titans after I completed mission. I'll guess we won't need any more chats, because of this.

I sense some lack of comments, so someone is getting desperate and trying to sneak around in game. Oh, man.. you made my day.